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Bernie 2020 !!

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Voted: Yes
3 weeks ago
It sounds like people are motivated for the next election. 1 million dollars raised in 4 hours is darn impressive.
#dumptrump
3 weeks ago
I would rather have Bernie Sanders than Trump, but I'm not sure he's electable this time around. I'm not sure I want to go that far to the left.
reply to: I would rather have Bernie Sanders than Trump, but I'm not sure he's electable this time around. I'm not sure I want to go that far to the left.
Voted: Yes
3 weeks ago
I would think he would be tampered down by Congress with some of his ideas. I would be in favor of getting a unapologetic strong liberal voice back in there to help swing the pendulum back to a more central point. It's been too far right, long enough imho.

I do think he will not be the front runner candidate for the dems. They will likely pick someone that is more the status quo in order to win the election.
3 weeks ago
The Democrats are im serious trouble. Serious trouble. They have go so far left, and so far out of the mainstream, that they don't have a prayer if any of the big names get the nomination.

I know that on the Maddow watching left many think they are the mainstream. But that simply isnt true. They either need to start walking back their insanity immediately (which they can't do or they don't stand a chance in the primary) or they will be crushed in the general.

The other option is if they nominate someone more centrist. Of course that is unlikely with the hard left base but even if so, any centrist out there is an unknown--which will stand no chance against Trump (unless there is someone as charismatic as Obama waiting in the wings which is unlikley)--or Biden who is a proven dunce.

Trump bulldozed his way through 18 establishment candidates in 2016 (17 Rs and Hillary). He now has a solid record. If you allow your hatred of him to not cloud your vision you will see his accomplishments are significant and the reasons people hate him are silly/invented. So an establishment candidate has, essentially, a 0% chance at beating him. He is a stronger candidate in 2020 than he was in 2016.

But back to the Dems. They dug their own hole here. They didnt need to go so hardcore left. They could have remained reasonable and would have a real shot at beating Trump. But not now. Not after calling for open borders, killing babies, and socialism.
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reply to: The Democrats are im serious trouble. Serious trouble. They have go so far left, and so far out of the mainstream, that they don't have a prayer if any of the big names get the nomination. I know that on the Maddow watching
3 weeks ago
Hey, I don't hate anyone. Certainly not our president. Where have I ever said I hated him? In fact I rarely if ever say anything about him.
reply to: The Democrats are im serious trouble. Serious trouble. They have go so far left, and so far out of the mainstream, that they don't have a prayer if any of the big names get the nomination. I know that on the Maddow watching
3 weeks ago
Interestingly, Maddow didn't mention Bernie's huge take in from his announcement to run. He took in 6 million in 24 hours, which is quite large compared to other lib candidates.

But she never mentions him. Because ( word is amongst the far left) she is a corporate or establishment Democrats. In fact, Bernie is probably mentioned more on Fox news than other mainstream media.

That is how I see it, but I am a Bernie supporter. Also I appreciate your insight.
reply to: The Democrats are im serious trouble. Serious trouble. They have go so far left, and so far out of the mainstream, that they don't have a prayer if any of the big names get the nomination. I know that on the Maddow watching
3 weeks ago
Trump is actually a much weaker candidate than he was in 16. He has never reached out to anyone other than his small base. His tax cut has proved to be a major disappointment this tax season. And his closing the government for 35 days has caused his support, in the three states that carried him over the finish line, to erode. His foreign policy remains sketchy and his tariffs are hurting farmers.

Combine that with the lies you told in your last sentence, and I think Trump is in for a tough fight.
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reply to: Hey, I don't hate anyone. Certainly not our president. Where have I ever said I hated him? In fact I rarely if ever say anything about him.
3 weeks ago
I didnt mean you specifically. I meant the collective, non specific "you." Which basically is referring to Democrats in general--but again, not any one specific person.
reply to: I didnt mean you specifically. I meant the collective, non specific "you." Which basically is referring to Democrats in general--but again, not any one specific person.
3 weeks ago
Oh okay, I see. Don't mean to overreact, just concerned.
reply to: Trump is actually a much weaker candidate than he was in 16. He has never reached out to anyone other than his small base. His tax cut has proved to be a major disappointment this tax season. And his closing the government fo
3 weeks ago
Ok, I need to start with the last thing first: "Combine that with the lies you told in your last sentence" My last sentence is: Not after calling for open borders, killing babies, and socialism.

These are not lies. Leading candidates for the Dems:
Beto O'Rourke / Gildebrand: want to take down existing walls. Play all the nonsense word games and talk about drones and "smart walls" all you want. Taking down existing walls opens borders. In a country that currently has at least 15MILLION illegals already, loosening security is a call for no border. Sorry, this is a fact.

New York Dems passed a law that allows a baby to be killed at ANY point during pregnancy and even can extend to after birth. This is a fact.

All Dems candidates have backed the biggest socialist plan the US has ever had, the joke that is the Green New Deal. Plus Bernie Sanders is a self-avowed socialist.

Trump is much stronger. The things you cite are silly. A 35 day shutdown is nothing. Everyone got paid. There have been dozens of shutdowns over the years. This one was a week longer--no big deal.

His tax cuts have driven the economy to new highs. Record low unemployment, the return of manufacturing jobs, 3.0 GDP.

His foreign policy is as pro-American as we have had in decades. Trade is finally becoming fair, N Korea talks in progress, ending American deaths in overseas by bringing troops home, NATO paying fair share.

Your take on these things is clearly driven by the hate Trump at all costs media. Need to open your eyes.
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reply to: Trump is actually a much weaker candidate than he was in 16. He has never reached out to anyone other than his small base. His tax cut has proved to be a major disappointment this tax season. And his closing the government fo
3 weeks ago
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3 weeks ago
I would be in favor of getting a unapologetic strong liberal voice back in there to help swing the pendulum back to a more central point. It's been too far right, long enough imho.

@Peapod how is our current country too far right?

There hasnt been a true conservative since Reagan. We currently have a massive welfare state. Gay marriage is legal. Men can use a woman's bathroom. Social media and all almost all traditional media are hard left. NY just passed a law to allow a child to be aborted after it has been delivered. Marijuana legalization is becoming the norm.
reply to: I would be in favor of getting a unapologetic strong liberal voice back in there to help swing the pendulum back to a more central point. It's been too far right, long enough imho. @Peapod how is our current country too far
3 weeks ago
You have a lot of valid points, Z. One way the Dems could have done more is to actually support labor unions. Instead they have been ignored and are in trouble (per some people's views).

So that is one way that I see the Dems have shifted right. They seem to care little for one of their main bases of support.
reply to: I would be in favor of getting a unapologetic strong liberal voice back in there to help swing the pendulum back to a more central point. It's been too far right, long enough imho. @Peapod how is our current country too far
Voted: Yes
3 weeks ago
I agree with 76May that we really don't have true conservatism dominating things. But we certainly have a party in control that goes against most of my personal beliefs. I cannot relate to anyone that wants to eliminate helping others that are in need such as the elderly and disabled. Of course I have much more that makes me lean left, but like May76 has said, the Democratic party have been a letdown.

Truth be told, I am in the middle somewhere and maybe the Dems represent my core beliefs slightly better. After seeing Donald Trump in office, I want nothing to do with that sort of 'conservatism".
3 weeks ago
Trump is a centrist. Aside from his court picks, every policy he has pushed has been very mainstream and very pro-America: lowering taxes to bring back jobs, renegotiating trade deals, prison reform, tough on immigration (remember every prominent Dem still in office voted FOR border walls under other presidents.), supporting Israel, conrfonting China, dealing with North Korea.

I understand ppl not liking Trump the person, but Trump the president is hardly extreme and is very competent.

Its a shame so many are so easily led to believe that the two are synonomous.
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reply to: Trump is a centrist. Aside from his court picks, every policy he has pushed has been very mainstream and very pro-America: lowering taxes to bring back jobs, renegotiating trade deals, prison reform, tough on immigration (rem
3 weeks ago
Some of the things he has done I have no problem with. Unfortunately, his plans have not worked out as easily as he planned. Like confronting China. China is too sneaky to easily negotiate a new trade deal. It irks me.
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reply to: Some of the things he has done I have no problem with. Unfortunately, his plans have not worked out as easily as he planned. Like confronting China. China is too sneaky to easily negotiate a new trade deal. It irks me.
3 weeks ago
Of course not everything will ever work out as planned. But most things have worked out to some extent. Tax cuts have given us all more money in our paychecks. Manufacturing jobs have come back. The Korean peninsula is on a path to better security--remember its only been two years. Prison reform is real. NAFTA is redone and now better for America. NATO allies are finally going to pay their fairs share. The list goes on.

As for China, again, its only two years in. China is a serious issue. Had the Democrats been behind America all of this would be easier. But that means supporting Trump. So they have a choice. Good for America or bad for Trump. They choose bad for Trump. That is sad.

And for those that say the Rs did the same to Obama. Totally different. Obama was pursuing policies that, historically, have been ante-American. Rs had a legit gripe with things like Obamacare.

But how do you have a legit gripe with re-negotiating trade deals in our favor? Or becoming energy independent? Or confronting China? Or having NATO pay? Or fixing/replacing NAFTA? Or bringing back jobs? Or securing our border? Or ending wars such as Syria?

These are all things that previous presidents have said they would do. But they always lied because in the end they were beholden to special interests or playing politics. These are all big issues. Trump, and Trump ONLY has addressed them. And has done so with success (in some cases ongoing... its only two years) His honesty and guts as a politician has been nothing short of astounding.

Again, Trump the person might be a disgusting jerk. But Trump the president is the most patriotic and legitimately having this counties best interests at heart that we have seen at least since Reagan.

There is a reason the Dems went all out with the Russia nonsense. Not only did they need something to bring him down but it was clear, from his speeches, his history, and his campaign that he wore his patriotism on his sleeve. They had to take that issue away from him. And the best way to do that is to go all in branding someone as a traitor when, in reality that could not be further from the truth. Still, millions of sheep will believe what they are told over and over--with the Dems know would happen.
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3 weeks ago
I think Bernie's chance was stolen from him in favor of Hillary. I'm not sure he can manifest that fervor again. It's early yet, though, we shall see.
reply to: I think Bernie's chance was stolen from him in favor of Hillary. I'm not sure he can manifest that fervor again. It's early yet, though, we shall see.
3 weeks ago
I also question his ability to withstand the rigors of a campaign. The same with Biden.
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reply to: I also question his ability to withstand the rigors of a campaign. The same with Biden.
3 weeks ago
Biden looks and acts like a man ten years younger than his actual age. Don't you worry your pretty little head about him.
reply to: Biden looks and acts like a man ten years younger than his actual age. Don't you worry your pretty little head about him.
3 weeks ago
A guy pushing 80 with a history of brain anuerisms? Not so sure.
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3 weeks ago
If we had a truly impartial and fair media. Trump would win 2020 in a historic landslide.
reply to: If we had a truly impartial and fair media. Trump would win 2020 in a historic landslide.
3 weeks ago
We have a huge problem with the media. That is true.
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reply to: If we had a truly impartial and fair media. Trump would win 2020 in a historic landslide.
3 weeks ago
OMG, the media (CNN) actually helped Trump during the 16 run. Hundreds of hours of free coverage combined with the constant reporting of Hillary''s leaked emails.
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reply to: OMG, the media (CNN) actually helped Trump during the 16 run. Hundreds of hours of free coverage combined with the constant reporting of Hillary''s leaked emails.
3 weeks ago
Are you seriously going to try to make the case that the media is biased toward the left? Trump did get a lot of coverage. For ratings purposes, not for support. Coverage of HRC emails scandal was simply them getting out in front of a story to debunk it.
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reply to: Are you seriously going to try to make the case that the media is biased toward the left? Trump did get a lot of coverage. For ratings purposes, not for support. Coverage of HRC emails scandal was simply them getting out in f
3 weeks ago
I didn't say that they did it with the INTENTION of helping Trump.
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reply to: OMG, the media (CNN) actually helped Trump during the 16 run. Hundreds of hours of free coverage combined with the constant reporting of Hillary''s leaked emails.
3 weeks ago
Sure, they helped Trump get elected. I believe that. Problem is, 85% of the media are registered democrats. Which is not fair to anyone that isn't. Here I go, whining about unfairness, lol
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reply to: Sure, they helped Trump get elected. I believe that. Problem is, 85% of the media are registered democrats. Which is not fair to anyone that isn't. Here I go, whining about unfairness, lol
3 weeks ago
They helped him get nominated. For 1) ratings and 2) they thought he would be the weakest candidate.

But once the primaries were over, Hillary (or any Dem) was their candidate.

In other words, they do what they can to manipulate every step of the way.
3 weeks ago
I honestly don't want Sanders to even come close to being the nominee. He and Warren both don't have a snowball chance in helll of winning. And let's all pray that if Sanders does bow out, that he does it quickly and gracefully, and that his supporters follow suit.
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reply to: I honestly don't want Sanders to even come close to being the nominee. He and Warren both don't have a snowball chance in helll of winning. And let's all pray that if Sanders does bow out, that he does it quickly and graceful
3 weeks ago
Dru, his supporters started off his campaign with 6 million in the first 24 hours. He is looking pretty strong. I know you don't like Sanders, but he could do a lot of good for the country also. I think he has an enormous chance of winning.
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reply to: Dru, his supporters started off his campaign with 6 million in the first 24 hours. He is looking pretty strong. I know you don't like Sanders, but he could do a lot of good for the country also. I think he has an enormous c
3 weeks ago
It is not a case of not liking him, he is simply not electable. Remember, he has to be able to win middle America, not just liberals, and he did very poorly with the black vote last time. Biden stands a much stronger chance of beating Trump, and that is what I want.
reply to: It is not a case of not liking him, he is simply not electable. Remember, he has to be able to win middle America, not just liberals, and he did very poorly with the black vote last time. Biden stands a much stronger chance o
3 weeks ago
You'd be surprised of all the Bernie people I'm coming across the are poc.. also, didn't Bernie do well in the rust belt?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35767842
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reply to: It is not a case of not liking him, he is simply not electable. Remember, he has to be able to win middle America, not just liberals, and he did very poorly with the black vote last time. Biden stands a much stronger chance o
3 weeks ago
Me too, I hope Biden wins the primary and chooses Amy Klobachar as his VP.
reply to: You'd be surprised of all the Bernie people I'm coming across the are poc.. also, didn't Bernie do well in the rust belt? http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35767842
3 weeks ago
He did not win the nomination and he has a lot of similar thinking candidates this time. And he did very poorly with the African American vote.

The Bernie people are the ones who helped put Trump in office. Instead of gracefully accepting Hillary, they sat on their hands.
2 weeks ago
this good news for Bernie bois & gurls
or bad
https://www.weaselzippers.us/412075-bernie-sanders-staff-shake-up-top-strategists-leave-his-presidential-campaign/
In a major shake-up to Bernie Sanders' just-launched presidential bid, some of his top strategists have left the campaign.

Tad Devine, Mark Longabaugh and Julian Mulvey, partners in a political consulting firm who all played leading roles in Sanders' 2016 campaign for the White House, are parting ways with the senator, citing creative differences.

"The entire firm has stepped away. We're leaving the campaign," Longabaugh told NBC News on Tuesday. "We just didn't have a meeting of the minds."

some Bern history for youhttps://www.choozler.com/userimg/PK7VK1iaz3iZ313.jpg
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reply to: this good news for Bernie bois & gurls or bad https://www.weaselzippers.us/412075-bernie-sanders-staff-shake-up-top-strategists-leave-his-presidential-campaign/ In a major shake-up to Bernie Sanders' just-launched presiden
2 weeks ago
Image?
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reply to: this good news for Bernie bois & gurls or bad https://www.weaselzippers.us/412075-bernie-sanders-staff-shake-up-top-strategists-leave-his-presidential-campaign/ In a major shake-up to Bernie Sanders' just-launched presiden
2 weeks ago
When I saw this my first thought was how it really is no big deal BUT if it were Trump, every MSM outlet would be using it as proof of disarray and incompetence.
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2 weeks ago