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Conservatives: What do you want people without Health Insurance to do?

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Conservatives: What do you want people without Health Insurance to do?
This is a very simple and legitimate question

If people cannot afford health insurance or Health Care, What is your expectation? What is the expection from those on the right?
Created: June 28, 2018
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3 months ago
This will be interesting. There are a high percentage of Republicans who depend on Medicare and SS. There are also a high percentage of Republicans in the deep south that depend on Medicaid and SNAP. I keep thinking at some point these idiots will have a duh moment.
reply to: This will be interesting. There are a high percentage of Republicans who depend on Medicare and SS. There are also a high percentage of Republicans in the deep south that depend on Medicaid and SNAP. I keep thinking at some p
3 months ago
All I want is for someone on the right to give me a straightforward answer. I've asked this of their politicians as well. I want them to just be honest. I want them to explain to everyone how this is "Winning"
3 months ago
Depriving anyone access to affordable health care should be yet another crime against humanity. We all need a doctor at some point in our lives for an ailment we cannot cure ourselves. Nobody should be forced to sell their soul and lose everything they have just to be well again.
reply to: Depriving anyone access to affordable health care should be yet another crime against humanity. We all need a doctor at some point in our lives for an ailment we cannot cure ourselves. Nobody should be forced to sell their so
3 months ago
Thank you for saying that, Sir...

I have been waiting for opur conservative friends to provide an answer as IU always have. I don;t recall if you remember back on SH when the conservative platform was to repeal the ACH and then it morphed in "Repeal and Replace" I kept pressing, "Replace with what?". I am still pressing. I don't really care aabout Obamacare but I do expect our buddies to be honest and answer question I've posed to them.

For some (Like @Matt.Maros who are Cnadian and get Universal healthcare) and others who are elderly and get Medicare, and answer is requested. WHat exactly do they expect? I had a discussion with someone on Facebook named Michael xxxxx that basically said , "Die" because he did not want to fund someone elses healthcare. That was their problem and they should just "Die" .
reply to: Thank you for saying that, Sir... I have been waiting for opur conservative friends to provide an answer as IU always have. I don;t recall if you remember back on SH when the conservative platform was to repeal the ACH and t
3 months ago
For the first time in my daughter's adult life, she has had healthcare with the ACA. Her little boy is covered too. She works hard, but her company will not offer healthcare.
reply to: For the first time in my daughter's adult life, she has had healthcare with the ACA. Her little boy is covered too. She works hard, but her company will not offer healthcare.
3 months ago
It is always criticized as mean, but if that is a concern. Find a job with great benefits. Many do just that.
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reply to: It is always criticized as mean, but if that is a concern. Find a job with great benefits. Many do just that.
3 months ago
Good luck with that. There are not enough companies out there offering jobs with benefits for all those in need. That would imply that big corporations are all doing their part to offer even the basics.
reply to: It is always criticized as mean, but if that is a concern. Find a job with great benefits. Many do just that.
3 months ago
Because Life is that easy. Really dude?
reply to: Because Life is that easy. Really dude?
3 months ago
If that is what people really believe to be the solution, we are screwed. The very nature of capitalism is to make a profit where you can. That means less companies are offering health insurance with the rising cost of healthcare.

OK...Peapod needs to step off and breathe. Good luck getting logical answers to this one.
reply to: If that is what people really believe to be the solution, we are screwed. The very nature of capitalism is to make a profit where you can. That means less companies are offering health insurance with the rising cost of healt
3 months ago
lol
I haven't gotten one yet. It's all too convoluted.
reply to: It is always criticized as mean, but if that is a concern. Find a job with great benefits. Many do just that.
3 months ago
Your ignorance again surfaces. Many jobs only pay minimum wage and offer no benefits. This is especially true with the elderly who have lost their job and struggle to remain employed.
reply to: Your ignorance again surfaces. Many jobs only pay minimum wage and offer no benefits. This is especially true with the elderly who have lost their job and struggle to remain employed.
3 months ago
I know its not the answer for everyone. My point is that personal responsibility plays a role as well, and the left ignores this. I know far more people that make bad decisions regarding health and finances than I do that make good decisions. Its a shame. But at what point does it need to become someone eselse responsibility. Again, Im all for Medicaid and medicare.. when truly needed.
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reply to: I know its not the answer for everyone. My point is that personal responsibility plays a role as well, and the left ignores this. I know far more people that make bad decisions regarding health and finances than I do that mak
3 months ago
The system is totally rigged against the working class. You can work your whole life, play by all the rules and end up with nothing. Just one illness that takes you beyond your FMLA and you have no job and no insurance when you need it the most. Even with insurance you can still go bankrupt over health care.
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reply to: Good luck with that. There are not enough companies out there offering jobs with benefits for all those in need. That would imply that big corporations are all doing their part to offer even the basics.
3 months ago
Or they only offer part time so they don't have to offer benefits.
reply to: Or they only offer part time so they don't have to offer benefits.
3 months ago
This is exactly right! Trump's America is bigger profits for corporations and what better way to do that by cutting back a few hours, making your work force work even harder, and do without benefits.

This isn't some blind fear. I personally know too many people without health insurance.
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reply to: Thank you for saying that, Sir... I have been waiting for opur conservative friends to provide an answer as IU always have. I don;t recall if you remember back on SH when the conservative platform was to repeal the ACH and t
3 months ago
Sounds exactly like something that Murphy fellow might say. His sentiment regarding the crisis at the border is very much in line with his death wish for persons who cannot afford their own health care.
reply to: Sounds exactly like something that Murphy fellow might say. His sentiment regarding the crisis at the border is very much in line with his death wish for persons who cannot afford their own health care.
3 months ago
It's easy to piece the two names together....
3 months ago
Out of all the issues out there, this one is the most critical to the well being of us all. I cannot fathom a country that actually balks at the idea of healthcare for everyone, regardless of income. Those that cannot afford it clog up our ERs since that may be the only place they may get care. And who pays for that?
I think it's appalling to hear about cuts to Medicaid so Trump can have his big useless wall that will NOT make a huge difference on the influx of illegals coming into the country.
For all those that fear socialized programs, well give up your SS and anything else you may be looking for down the line.
Most working class people have zero ability to save enough money to retire, especially now that companies often don't offer benefits.
3 months ago
Let me start by saying what neither side wants to admit--there is no perfect option.

Sorry, single payer is not perfect. But neither is free market.

In this country we subsidize alot of stuff. A LOT of stuff. I have no problem with Medicaid for those that truly need it. But, it must be basic care. Sorry, but if we are going to give people stuff for free, they are getting Kias, not Mercedes. Everyone needs a roof over their head, too, is the govt required to buy everyone a mansion?

No one should be denied healthcare. But why would someone want to go the single payer route in a country that is morbidly obese, unfit, and unhealthy? Why should anyone pay for someone elses bad choices? Or, are we going to start regulating lifestyle choices? Its a slippery slope and the underlying reason why socialism is bad. Now, I know it is not all bad choices. Sometimes people get sick/injured through no fault of their own.

On the free market side, the industry should be allowed to flourish to bring in as much competition as possible, driving down prices. I should be able to get catastrophic only, or full coverage based on what I want to pay for.

And if I can buy insurance and choose not too... thats my choice and I live with the consequences. If I dont have fire insurance and my house burns down, do I get a new house?

Single payer is wildly expensive and the options will never be as good as in a free market. Thats simply the difference between govt issued and entreprenuer-driven.
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reply to: Let me start by saying what neither side wants to admit--there is no perfect option. Sorry, single payer is not perfect. But neither is free market. In this country we subsidize alot of stuff. A LOT of stuff. I have no pr
3 months ago
Then why should we pay for old people on SS? I'm not collecting it yet, but I know darn well older folks need it to not become homeless.
reply to: Let me start by saying what neither side wants to admit--there is no perfect option. Sorry, single payer is not perfect. But neither is free market. In this country we subsidize alot of stuff. A LOT of stuff. I have no pr
3 months ago
Not a good answer by any stretch of the imagination. Many cannot afford Healthcare or can get it.

Healthcare is not "free stuff" as you point out (but thank you for saying that because it clarifies what the "Free stuff" is that y'all keep talking about). Healthcare is a human right. The country is "morbidly obese, unfit, and unhealthy" because of a lack of preventitive health care and proper nutrition.

The "Free Market" experiment has failed tremendously. We have bean counters and insurance companies rather than Licensed physicians providing decision for healthcare,

Before you or anyone else start in on how expensive universal healthcare is, start thinking about how much goes into Medicare, Medicade, the VA, get's written off as bad debt by Doctors & Hospitals, and how much we pay out of pocket for people who suffer fro illnesses and injury that could have been prevented to begin with through lower cost preventive healthcare.

And this is all off topic. The original question was not answered so I'll ask you one more time...

"If people cannot afford health insurance or Health Care, What is your expectation? "
reply to: Let me start by saying what neither side wants to admit--there is no perfect option. Sorry, single payer is not perfect. But neither is free market. In this country we subsidize alot of stuff. A LOT of stuff. I have no pr
3 months ago
Single payer may not be perfect but it works in every other modern country..
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reply to: Then why should we pay for old people on SS? I'm not collecting it yet, but I know darn well older folks need it to not become homeless.
3 months ago
SS is a little different in that the idea behind it is that you get back what you put into it, I believe. I know current funds are used for current retirees, but the concept is that the money revolves. Its not really a welfare program, although I know disabled can collect more than they put it.
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reply to: SS is a little different in that the idea behind it is that you get back what you put into it, I believe. I know current funds are used for current retirees, but the concept is that the money revolves. Its not really a welfar
3 months ago
So basically, Social Security............. "SOCIALISM"

Don't be ashamed to say the word and admit that you subscribe to Socialist programs (like Medicare, Social Security, and the VA)
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reply to: SS is a little different in that the idea behind it is that you get back what you put into it, I believe. I know current funds are used for current retirees, but the concept is that the money revolves. Its not really a welfar
3 months ago
You are sadly mistaken to believe that what is put into SS comes back out to those that contributed. We all know government has dipped into that for years and many fear it will collapse in the not too distant future. Many young people that are contributing to it now will likely not benefit.

The question at hand is a good one. Just ignore the growing problem of people without healthcare? I need to step away from this so that more conservatives can answer the question.
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reply to: So basically, Social Security............. "SOCIALISM" Don't be ashamed to say the word and admit that you subscribe to Socialist programs (like Medicare, Social Security, and the VA)
3 months ago
Your missing the point. Socialism, at its core, treats differently people differently. That is not good. SS doestn really do that. And Medicaid is for the poor only. That is not socialism, it is a welfare program. I have no problems with limited welfare programs.
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reply to: You are sadly mistaken to believe that what is put into SS comes back out to those that contributed. We all know government has dipped into that for years and many fear it will collapse in the not too distant future. Many yo
3 months ago
We all know government has dipped into that for years and many fear it will collapse in the not too distant future.
Bingo. That is what govt does. Now lets give them our healthcare.
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reply to: We all know government has dipped into that for years and many fear it will collapse in the not too distant future.Bingo. That is what govt does. Now lets give them our healthcare.
3 months ago
Then fic the damn government..

BTW, Conservatives policies are what are allowing the "Dipping"
Like it or not.
Democrats are now "Moderate Republicans" .
reply to: SS is a little different in that the idea behind it is that you get back what you put into it, I believe. I know current funds are used for current retirees, but the concept is that the money revolves. Its not really a welfar
3 months ago
Neither is Medicare. It works on the same principle. I funded my parents, They funded theirs and my kids will fund theirs.
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reply to: Not a good answer by any stretch of the imagination. Many cannot afford Healthcare or can get it. Healthcare is not "free stuff" as you point out (but thank you for saying that because it clarifies what the "Free stuff" is
3 months ago
"If people cannot afford health insurance or Health Care, What is your expectation? "
if they truly cant afford it, Medicaid.
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reply to: "If people cannot afford health insurance or Health Care, What is your expectation? "if they truly cant afford it, Medicaid.
3 months ago
...which President Trump is going after.
reply to: ...which President Trump is going after.
3 months ago
I have no problem with making any welfare program bare bones and basic.
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reply to: I have no problem with making any welfare program bare bones and basic.
3 months ago
No Medicade.

Much to expensive. Univesal Healthcare...Get rid of the VA, Medicaid...Make it Medicare for all.
If you want Supplemental insurance, have at it
reply to: ...which President Trump is going after.
3 months ago
Yes...It reminds me of the saying (and to praphrase)...
"Satans greatest trick is making people he doesn't exist."

Trump is doing a great job making the people who will be hurt the most think he is looking out for their best interest, but in reality, he is only looking out for the pockets fo the Wealthy and Corporations
reply to: "If people cannot afford health insurance or Health Care, What is your expectation? "if they truly cant afford it, Medicaid.
3 months ago
You cannot afford health insurance and still make too much for Medicaid. You cannot be able to work and still have too much in savings. You are expected to spend your self into debt before you can get Medicaid
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3 months ago
This isnt healthcare, but an example of why we dont need the govt subsidizing...

I moved a while back but before I did, there was a house on the block that had renters in it. Nobody wanted these renters as they were "hoodlums". Interpret that as you will.

The owner of the house, who used it as a rental, had a mortgage that was under water. So he couldnt sell. And, he could only cover his mortgage if he charges a very high rent. Of course, no one in their right mind would pay rent that is well over market value. So, what to do?

Well, he rents only to people that have the govt pay rent for them. So, all are happy. The owner gets to cover his mortgage with an above market value rent, and the renters live for free. Oh wait, not all are happy. The neighbors need to put up with people that dont take care of the house, mow the lawn regularly, shovel snow, leave crap all over and, although they cant pay the rent, have about five cars parked in front of neighbors houses. Turns out, the renters arent concerned with others and the property values... so long as they live for free.

Now, this is one example, multiply this by how ever many magnitudes you'd like. And apply it to free healthcare.

Nothing is free.
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reply to: This isnt healthcare, but an example of why we dont need the govt subsidizing... I moved a while back but before I did, there was a house on the block that had renters in it. Nobody wanted these renters as they were "hoodlum
3 months ago
Nothing is free

That is why we pay taxes.

As for that really bizarre example...the Homeowner pays property taxes no matter who lives in that house. The Owner is under water for whatever reason, but I bet he over extended his own finances , paid too much for the damn thing, or had no business purchasing htat home to begin with. The lender is also at fault for giving the property owner the property.

The problem is the Homowner, Dude..not the people who rent.
He sounds like a typical slumlord
reply to: Nothing is free That is why we pay taxes. As for that really bizarre example...the Homeowner pays property taxes no matter who lives in that house. The Owner is under water for whatever reason, but I bet he over extended
3 months ago
Correct. The problem is the owner. He re-financed when real estate was through the roof and then prices dropped.
It is 100% the owners fault. But who comes to the rescue for this owner's bad decisions? My tax money.

They are bailing out the people living there and the owner.

Why? Why should the govt be using my money and your money, to give this guy who made bad choices a free ride?

Now, I know this isnt healthcare, but the point is that we subsidize too much stuff. Want Medicaid for those that truly need it, fine. Im all for it. But I have a hard time believing it is run effieciently, as Peadpod mentioned about SS.

And I dont see why anyone should be responsible for anothers bad choices. Again, I know it is not all bad choices. But much of our health is. And there is no reason to belive that single payer will be run any better than SS.
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reply to: Correct. The problem is the owner. He re-financed when real estate was through the roof and then prices dropped. It is 100% the owners fault. But who comes to the rescue for this owner's bad decisions? My tax money. They ar
3 months ago
Single payer will be taking a massive percentage of the economy, and using it inefficiently.

You mentioned earlier that you live well now because in your younger years, you invested wisely. Think of yourself as the USA. What if 30% of the money you had available to invest, was invested poorly? A negative return. Would you still be living the way you are now? Its kind of mathematically impossible.
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reply to: Correct. The problem is the owner. He re-financed when real estate was through the roof and then prices dropped. It is 100% the owners fault. But who comes to the rescue for this owner's bad decisions? My tax money. They ar
3 months ago
You need to take that up with the ownerWe also subsidize Corporations and that definitely needs to stop.

SS has been in place since 1935. If the program is so bad, it would have been replaced or removed a long time ago. Again, the problem is that politicans keep raiding it. Universal Healthcare-single payer can work just fine with proper oversight.

Pharma, the Medical Industrial complex and the Insurance companies have been systematically ****ing us over for a long time.
First step..Remove the Insurance companies from our Healthcare.
Second, Get the Insurance Companies and Pharma's grubby hands out of the Pols pockets
reply to: You need to take that up with the ownerWe also subsidize Corporations and that definitely needs to stop. SS has been in place since 1935. If the program is so bad, it would have been replaced or removed a long time ago. Agai
3 months ago
We also subsidize Corporations and that definitely needs to stop
agreed.
Again, the problem is that politicans keep raiding it. Universal Healthcare-single payer can work just fine with proper oversight.

Why would there be oversight in single payer if we couldnt get for SS in eight decades. Youre dreaming.
First step..Remove the Insurance companies from our Healthcare.
Thats capitalism.
Second, Get the Insurance Companies and Pharma's grubby hands out of the Pols pockets
Agreed.
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reply to: You need to take that up with the ownerWe also subsidize Corporations and that definitely needs to stop. SS has been in place since 1935. If the program is so bad, it would have been replaced or removed a long time ago. Agai
3 months ago
Still waiting for someone to talk about the billions in profits from private insurance companies and big pharma off the backs of people. But hey...conservatives don't seem fazed by it.
reply to: Still waiting for someone to talk about the billions in profits from private insurance companies and big pharma off the backs of people. But hey...conservatives don't seem fazed by it.
3 months ago
Im the only one here. I can only type so fast :)

What do you mean "off the backs" of people. Whenever I hear that I think of disgruntled people angry that others have more than them.

They are a business. They are supposed to make a profit.
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reply to: Still waiting for someone to talk about the billions in profits from private insurance companies and big pharma off the backs of people. But hey...conservatives don't seem fazed by it.
3 months ago
bu....bu...bu...but that's free market.

I don't think that the Healthcare should be a business.
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reply to: bu....bu...bu...but that's free market. I don't think that the Healthcare should be a business.
3 months ago
But now we are picking and choosing? Everyone needs healthy food. Should healthy food not be a business? What about anything else that affects our well being? Youre drawing an artificial line.
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reply to: Im the only one here. I can only type so fast :) What do you mean "off the backs" of people. Whenever I hear that I think of disgruntled people angry that others have more than them. They are a business. They are supposed
3 months ago
Nope./...Pharma and Healthcare should not be a business at all.

Jesus did not ask for compensation for curing the sick, dude. W
Enough of this bull****. Start using some of that rediculous money allocted for military spending, the +3Billion we give over to Israel annually, (and God knows) whatever else we send outside of the country and re-invest it back into Healthcare and Education.

America and Americans first. Your profit is not worth a human life
reply to: But now we are picking and choosing? Everyone needs healthy food. Should healthy food not be a business? What about anything else that affects our well being? Youre drawing an artificial line.
3 months ago
Apples and Oranges

HEALTHCARE IS NOT A BUSINESS. It is a human right
reply to: We also subsidize Corporations and that definitely needs to stopagreed. Again, the problem is that politicans keep raiding it. Universal Healthcare-single payer can work just fine with proper oversight. Why would there be
3 months ago
INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE NOT CAPITALIST.

Insurance companies and their free rein are part of what is wrong with America.
They assign risk. They dictate who they will or will not insure.They are the reason medical costs are sky high; them and the litigious grubs who sue for a free handout.

We do not need insurance companies involved in Healthcare...PERIOD
reply to: Im the only one here. I can only type so fast :) What do you mean "off the backs" of people. Whenever I hear that I think of disgruntled people angry that others have more than them. They are a business. They are supposed
3 months ago
For the record, I am lucky. I have the best healthcare there is through my husband. But I don't feel OK that more than half the population in my country don't have their basic healthcare needs met. I have family that works their tails off and deserve the basics. If these cuts continue, they will likely not have what they need. I'm not OK with it. I have seen first hand what living without healthcare looks like. I have seen people endure things like a toothache, or develop severe illnesses that damages their organs because they couldn't afford to be seen by a doctor or a dentist.

I also wonder what many people mean by "bare bones" coverage. I take it, it means they would only have hospitalization covered? So many illnesses are treated by daily medications which even pretty well off people would find challenging to pay for without health insurance.
If it comes down to capitalism, then you gave your answer on what matters more to you. I hope you still have the warmies for unregulated capitalism if a loved one of yours becomes sick and they don't have insurance. I personally don't wish that on anyone; especially in a great county like ours.
Sometimes you gotta walk in the other guy's shoes to understand. I hope to never lose my humility.
reply to: Nope./...Pharma and Healthcare should not be a business at all. Jesus did not ask for compensation for curing the sick, dude. W Enough of this bullshit. Start using some of that rediculous money allocted for military spend
3 months ago
Nope./...Pharma and Healthcare should not be a business at all.
So are we ok with the slowing of inventions, creativity, and advancements? Yeah, let govt drive the ingenuity
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3 months ago
You're very brainwashed. Sadly
reply to: But now we are picking and choosing? Everyone needs healthy food. Should healthy food not be a business? What about anything else that affects our well being? Youre drawing an artificial line.
3 months ago
Eating, liking breathing oxygen, is an involuntary necessity for the human in order to sustain life thereby making it a right not a luxury.

One should not have to pay through the nose to eat healthy foods yet if one goes to a health food store or to buy what are allegedly "organic" foods, they get gouged.
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reply to: Single payer will be taking a massive percentage of the economy, and using it inefficiently. You mentioned earlier that you live well now because in your younger years, you invested wisely. Think of yourself as the USA. What
3 months ago
Single payer will cost less than our current system.
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3 months ago
Ah what a surprise, the push for socialism continues. Have you not read the papers. Its all over
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reply to: Ah what a surprise, the push for socialism continues. Have you not read the papers. Its all over
3 months ago
I doubt it. It's only a matter of time until enough conservatives are hit personally. As more corporations opt out of providing health insurance, more working class people are going to feel it.
3 months ago
I suppose they want people to die. They simply don't care about peoples lives.
3 months ago
Don't get sick!
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2 months ago
Pay for medical services - just like the old days!
Obama has seriously phucked up the medical system.
Congress is dragging their feet to fix it - but at least there is no longer a mandate.
It will get better.

But, Mrs. Budwick had reason to visit a doctor recently.
Doctor visit alone was nearly $700. The visit was 20 minutes long and he sent her to get an ultrasound performed.
$700 bucks!

The clinic has programs - they know their prices are a ripoff.
We ended up paying $161
That wouldn't pay for a single month of insurance!
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2 months ago
Spending a lot of time at Dartmouth Hitch****, I have been hearing horror stories from Doctors about what conservatives are trying to do to our healthcare system.
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