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Demise of the NRA - Can we Hope?

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Demise of the NRA - Can we Hope?
"The pro-gun lobby — which gave a record $21 million to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign — said it’s headed to the poorhouse because a state agency told insurers to cut ties with the association and slapped a $7 million fine on NRA insurance broker Lockton Cos."

https://nypost.com/2018/08/03/nra-says-its-broke-and-on-the-verge-of-collapse/

Of all the horrors that could befall this country, in my opinion, the complete demise of the NRA is not one of them.
Created: March 31, 2019
Totals: 7 votes, 21 comments
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3 weeks ago
I have to be honest that I really dont understand the mindeset of the anti-NRA crowd. What is the problem with them? I get the whole "assault rifle" thing IF the mass shootings are the main concern, but that is just one aspect when, looked at logically, mass shootings (while horrific) are rare compared to so many other types of death that are also avoidable. Plus, there IS that whole constitutional thing.

So this is an organization that supports a part of our Constituton that is under attack. But it also organizes ways to ensure safe use, education, etc.

Oh, there is also the national registry/background check issue. Again, this pales in comparison to the value of the second ammendment as Im prett sure most of the recent mass shootings would not have affected by these.

If you really want to squash gun violence to the point that it is a statistic anomoly, find a way to stop the inner city blacks from killing each other. THAT is the majority of gun violence and that is NOT NRA related.

So, the NRA, is in some ways, kind of the only thing that stands between citizens and the anti-constitutional destruction of the second ammendment.

So it always strikes me as strange when ppl hate them so much. Its sort of like Trump. You might hate him, but unless you want your kids to live in a Venezuela copycat, right now he is the only thing standing between you and socialism.
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3 weeks ago
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gun-death-murder-risk-statistics-2018-3

Check out this chart. Look at the odds of dying from heart disease, cancer, stroke, or diabetes. Where is the outrage against any company of establishment that sells "unhealthy" food? Or why dont you hate car companies? Or advocate for the re-institution of prohibition?
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Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
I too would lose no sleep if the NRA crashed and burned. I still have images of the likes of Ted Nugent when I think about them.
reply to: I too would lose no sleep if the NRA crashed and burned. I still have images of the likes of Ted Nugent when I think about them.
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
So do I, Peas. Their rabid support of trophy hunting organizations and individuals, and their powerful opposition to most any law protecting wildlife sickens me.
reply to: So do I, Peas. Their rabid support of trophy hunting organizations and individuals, and their powerful opposition to most any law protecting wildlife sickens me.
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
I know there are many responsible gun owners out there, but like you said, they also support the trophy hunters. They are also against stricter legislation of assualt weapons.

I really do picture that POS Ted Nugent when I think of the NRA. I can't help it.
reply to: I know there are many responsible gun owners out there, but like you said, they also support the trophy hunters. They are also against stricter legislation of assualt weapons. I really do picture that POS Ted Nugent when I t
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
I know there are many "responsible" gun owners, too, and many of them no longer support the NRA.
Kind of hard not to picture Ted Nugent when thinking of them, considering that he has been a long-time member of their Board of Directors and very vocal spokesperson in their support.
3 weeks ago
I heard the same thing and I hope it's true.
reply to: I heard the same thing and I hope it's true.
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
Yes!!
reply to: I heard the same thing and I hope it's true.
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
Yes, we can hope Linnster. TOO many crazies out there go just throw my hands up in defeat.
Haven't been on much. Just wanted to pop in and tell you Hello!! Always, always good to hear your thoughts.
reply to: Yes, we can hope Linnster. TOO many crazies out there go just throw my hands up in defeat. Haven't been on much. Just wanted to pop in and tell you Hello!! Always, always good to hear your thoughts.
2 weeks ago
Thank you. I have had the devil's own time trying to get on here this past week. No matter what combination of login/password I used, I couldn't get on. So I logged in with FB and discovered that when you do that, you create an entirely new account and none of your old stuff shows up! I contacted Rich and although he did not reply to my emails, today I gave it one more try and it worked! Glad to see you, too.
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
Aww....the poor dears. Although I despise the NRA for many reasons, I do have mixed feelings about the alleged "coercion" of New York based banks and insurers by Gov Cuomo and DFS. Considering their own "coercion" in many matters, however, I find the NRA's lawsuit laughable.
In the meantime....I couldn't agree more with your last sentence in the text the post.
reply to: Aww....the poor dears. Although I despise the NRA for many reasons, I do have mixed feelings about the alleged "coercion" of New York based banks and insurers by Gov Cuomo and DFS. Considering their own "coercion"
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
It is nice to see the NRA a bit nervous now with what they are being slapped with. They certainly have never raised an eyebrow over all the innocent lives snuffed out by gun violence.

It's sickening to know they bought Donald Trump too. I am so very tired of all these big entities and politicians in collusion with each other. Sadly, it will never change either.
reply to: It is nice to see the NRA a bit nervous now with what they are being slapped with. They certainly have never raised an eyebrow over all the innocent lives snuffed out by gun violence. It's sickening to know they bought Don
Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
It IS! :)

Yes, sadly for sure. Not anytime soon anyway, I don't think.
Voted: Disagree
3 weeks ago
It concerns me when governments exert pressure as a backdoor to subvert legal activities. Operation Choke Point being an example of the federal government doing so. According to the article, NY allegedly did so with both financial institutions and insurers. Special interests are also doing so (successfully) with financial institutions and internet infrastructure providers.

The article states: The state argued that the coverage was illegal because "New York state law prohibits insurance coverage to defense costs arising out of a crime." It seems to me that given the insurance is to cover costs related to defense of charges in situations of guns being used for self defense that whether any such situation is ultimately deemed a "crime" requires due process. That creates a catch-22 for insurers, as whether they could pay depends upon an outcome that can only be determined after services the insurance is intended to cover are rendered. Easier to simply refuse to insure.

I've been following many of the cases where special interests (and governments?) are influencing companies into denying services...based sometimes solely upon political opinions, but also other legal activities. Such actions are problematic in my view for several reasons. When services are basically essential to modern life, i.e. banking, insurance, other financial services, internet infrastructure and are used to undermine rights - as opposed to privileges - guaranteed by our Constitution, we have a situation where ~1/2 the population can be silenced by the thought police.

History teaches that the pendulum has a limited arc. Eventually it hits the stop and begins its swing in the opposite direction. Food for thought.
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reply to: It concerns me when governments exert pressure as a backdoor to subvert legal activities. Operation Choke Point being an example of the federal government doing so. According to the article, NY allegedly did so with both fina
2 weeks ago
I am not at all suggesting that everyone's guns be taken away from them. After all, it is a constitutional right to bear arms. However, there are certain measures that can be taken to make it harder for those who should not have guns and the NRA opposes virtually all of them. In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason why anyone other than military or law enforcement should have an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. Those weapons are not even needed for hunting. If someone likes the idea of using them for target practice, then they should have to store them at a gun range when they are finished. There is no question that not every gun incident could be stopped with gun control laws, but that is not a reason not to have them.
reply to: I am not at all suggesting that everyone's guns be taken away from them. After all, it is a constitutional right to bear arms. However, there are certain measures that can be taken to make it harder for those who should not
Voted: Disagree
A week and 6 days ago
Our second amendment was not predicated upon the people's need to hunt.

With very few exceptions, automatics are already illegal. Semi-auto simply means one has to pull the trigger each time to fire a round. Semi-automatics and large-capacity magazines were available at the time the 2nd Amendment was adopted.
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reply to: Our second amendment was not predicated upon the people's need to hunt. With very few exceptions, automatics are already illegal. Semi-auto simply means one has to pull the trigger each time to fire a round. Semi-automatic
A week and 2 days ago
I understand that the Second Amendment was not predicated on the need to hunt. I wonder whether the Second Amendment might have been written differently had the framers realized that there would be mass shootings or as many other shootings as there are today.
reply to: I understand that the Second Amendment was not predicated on the need to hunt. I wonder whether the Second Amendment might have been written differently had the framers realized that there would be mass shootings or as many o
Voted: Disagree
A week and a day ago
Do you really think the founders would have condoned no legal gun ownership? That is simply not true. Beyond the founders intentions, it is provably false that legal gun owners are the problem. Yet what proposed gun laws do is further restrict legal gun owners...who are not the problem.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

The 3rd leading cause of death is medical errors...should we outlaw medicine?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

Mass shootings receive mass media coverage...how many stories can you recall of someone dying in the hospital?
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Voted: Agree
3 weeks ago
NRA is nothing but an organization that tries to make murder acceptable. This is nothing more than a ploy to get members to give more money.
Voted: Agree
A week and 5 days ago
NRA is in the business of selling guns, I would have no problem with their demise.