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Should Jehova Witnesses be required to say the "Pledge of Allegiance"?

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Should Jehova Witnesses be required to say the
Created: June 5, 2018
Totals: 4 votes, 17 comments
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Voted: No...because
4 months ago
Nope.

The government cannot require anyone to do so due to the 1st Amendment, with the exception of immigrants taking their Naturalization Oath, which is actually more extensive than the pledge. That is allowed because immigration is considered a matter of national security, and a modified version can be requested to exclude the bearing arms, "on oath", and "so help me God" portions...and no one is *required* to become a citizen, that is their choice.

Companies, organizations, etc. cannot force anyone to do so either, as one's association with any of them is voluntary. If they require it and are unwilling to waive it for a religious objection, the objector is free to end their association with the entity.
reply to: Nope. The government cannot require anyone to do so due to the 1st Amendment, with the exception of immigrants taking their Naturalization Oath, which is actually more extensive than the pledge. That is allowed because immi
4 months ago
That's is true, but don't you feel it will be a matter of time when this happens?
Not just in the NFL but for any event where the Pledge is done. This has not been a major issue before, but now it's a very polarizing issue with the pontential of creating further issues. Many people are ignorant to groups such as this who don't do the pledge.

I can't see it NOT happening, imho
reply to: That's is true, but don't you feel it will be a matter of time when this happens? Not just in the NFL but for any event where the Pledge is done. This has not been a major issue before, but now it's a very polarizing issue
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
The national anthem is a song, the Pledge of Allegiance is an *oath*....HUGE difference.

Sure, it's polarizing. Trump made it so and social media, the MSM, the partisans (both sides)...and the truly patriotic...helped him keep that going until it became a major divisive issue in the country. We do not need any more division, but we continually allow ourselves to be divided and *distracted*.

Have you ever wondered just *what* we are being distracted from? I'll give you a snapshot in time in an attached comment below that I posted on a forum back when all the bruhaha was going on. That was the 1st of October last year, when everyone was all up in arms over the kneel...and those were just the things *I* caught, not everything that was happening behind the curtain.

The NFL didn't even require their players to be on the field during the anthem until 2009, when they signed a marketing deal with the DoD. Now that was not a DoD requirement, but due to the timing, likely the reason. I'm sure the NFL wanted to make the DoD happy to keep those $$$ incoming. I'm ticked over taxpayer dollars going to promote what most, if not all, saw as homegrown, heartfelt patriotism. People protesting by kneeling during the anthem and employers not allowing employees to protest on company time...not so much.

Outside of a few clubs and in certain government settings, I am unaware of anyone even saying the pledge, much less being forced to do so. Am I concerned it will become an issue? While it is possible, I don't personally think it likely anytime soon. That said, I am a firm supporter of our rights, those protected by the 1st are among the most dear to me. As long as we have the 1st, I don't see forced patriotism as an issue.
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reply to: The national anthem is a song, the Pledge of Allegiance is an *oath*....HUGE difference. Sure, it's polarizing. Trump made it so and social media, the MSM, the partisans (both sides)...and the truly patriotic...helped him k
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
1 October 2017 forum post:

Such things, regardless of how strongly people feel about them, are used to distract us from things it might behoove us to pay attention to.

*Today (posted 1 October 2017) is the first day of the 2018 fiscal year, yet while we have a continuing resolution, we have no actual budget.

*Both Trump's DOJ and State Department are effectively defending Clinton in court against Judicial Watch's FOIA requests.

*This is the number of administrative regulations on the calendar today:

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*The CIA has quietly admitted it "lost" an entire volume of the documents related to JFK's death, which were finally scheduled to be released this month...it is the volume on Lee Harvey Oswald, probably the most anticipated of the seven. (Hmm)

*Yesterday an oft-delayed deadline quietly passed requiring the DoD to be "audit ready". The DoD, which is the largest portion of the discretionary budget, routinely can not account for *trillions* of dollars, has *never* been audited.

I can find no stories in today's MSM about these things, though there are multiple articles regarding the NFL/National Anthem controversy.
reply to: 1 October 2017 forum post: Such things, regardless of how strongly people feel about them, are used to distract us from things it might behoove us to pay attention to. *Today (posted 1 October 2017) is the first day of t
4 months ago
Yes..those get buried un the voluminous amounts of data being stuffed out there daily.

I have been talking with my friend and the MSM is nothing more than "All Trump - All The Time"; good or bad.

Distractions indeed...meanwhile there is also the presidential pardons that are being is thrown out like candy... Just to be clear, only criminals get pardoned.



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reply to: Yes..those get buried un the voluminous amounts of data being stuffed out there daily. I have been talking with my friend and the MSM is nothing more than "All Trump - All The Time"; good or bad. Distractions indeed...me
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
That's all the MSM has been since he first seriously kicked out the possibility of running...and they never actually took him seriously until the election was called. Smh

True. Given our ridiculous laws and f'ed up criminal justice system, though, I don't *automatically* think of those we deem criminals as actually being "criminal". Just sayin'.

As far as pardons go, every once in a while a worthy one slips through amid the cronyism, so I've not got a big issue with it.
reply to: 1 October 2017 forum post: Such things, regardless of how strongly people feel about them, are used to distract us from things it might behoove us to pay attention to. *Today (posted 1 October 2017) is the first day of t
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
They yell squirrel and we yell, "Where?"
reply to: That's all the MSM has been since he first seriously kicked out the possibility of running...and they never actually took him seriously until the election was called. Smh True. Given our ridiculous laws and f'ed up criminal
4 months ago
Spanky Bonespurs von Dotard
We need to have a competition on renaming Trump because I am so SICK of hearing his name!!!

I can't stand turning on the tube or anything. It's all about HIM and the MSM needs to go find something else. Remember the good old days when CNN spent 24/7 covering a plane crash?
reply to: Spanky Bonespurs von Dotard We need to have a competition on renaming Trump because I am so SICK of hearing his name!!! I can't stand turning on the tube or anything. It's all about HIM and the MSM needs to go find something else. Remember the good old days when CNN spent 24/7 covering a plane crash?
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
Hey dude...I've suffered from bonespurs, I couldn't even walk. But if you don't want to use his name, just use "Cheeto"...everyone will know who you are talking about.

I shut my TV off in 2009. It hasn't been on again except a few months ago when it started turning itself on and off. That's a bit of a jolt when you live alone...
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reply to: Hey dude...I've suffered from bonespurs, I couldn't even walk. But if you don't want to use his name, just use "Cheeto"...everyone will know who you are talking about.
4 months ago
"when it started turning itself on and off" .

Dafuq?! Did you get yourself a Twonky?

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reply to: "when it started turning itself on and off" . Dafuq?! Did you get yourself a Twonky? http://www.miscmayhemprods.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/twonky-0
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
I was in the other room...and it was dark...
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Voted: No...because
4 months ago
Of course not. No one should be required to SAY anything. I do think if you are not going to you just stay seated quietly and respect the other PEOPLE who are saying it. If you are on the field, like an athlete, you stand but say nothing if you choose not to.
Voted: No...because
4 months ago
By the 1st Amendment no one should be required to say the pledge of Aliegence
4 months ago
if liberal crybabies can sit during the anthem and act like immature children why do liberals cry when others don;t follow suite? why do liberals think only they get special treatment?
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reply to: if liberal crybabies can sit during the anthem and act like immature children why do liberals cry when others don;t follow suite? why do liberals think only they get special treatment?
4 months ago
You live in Canada. When is the last time you stood and pledged allegiance to the US flag? You a traitor to your country? I hate traitors
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Voted: No...because
4 months ago
The pledge of allegiance is dumb.
4 months ago
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