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Trump is 100% correct about Germant and Russia.

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Trump is 100% correct about Germant and Russia.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/2018/07/11/trump-brings-grievances-to-nato-summit-worrying-u-s-allies

Why are we involved, paying anything for Germany to protect from Russia, as they make deals with Russia?

"This has been going on for decades, for decades, it’s disproportionate and not fair to the taxpayers of the United States"
Created: July 11, 2018
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Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
We make deal with Russia. Absolutely rediculous. Trump hates Merkel so he throws the entire country to the wolves.What's unfair to the tax payers of the US is that the wealthy and corporations don't pay their share.

I can't believe you call yourself a US citizen, @zombie8
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4 months ago
When you look at the comments by other foreign leaders, it is so painfully, and sadly, clear that they know this and can only talk in circles around it (similar to the American left when faced with truth and logic).
Merkel: I have experienced myself how a part of Germany was controlled by the Soviet Union. I am very happy that today we are united in freedom, the Federal Republic of Germany

>Stoltenberg: seemed surprised by the force of Trump's remarks. He attempted to respond, saying mildly: "Even during the cold war, Nato allies were trading with Russia."
reply to: When you look at the comments by other foreign leaders, it is so painfully, and sadly, clear that they know this and can only talk in circles around it (similar to the American left when faced with truth and logic). Merkel:
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Naw..I don't see that. I see other foreign leaders very uncomfortable having to be anywhere near Trump

Nothing you've said validates Trump or his remarks. It actually works against himp.
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4 months ago
Trump doesnt hate Merkel. He hates that we are being taken advantage of.

Its nice to have a president with a backbone... finally.

You admitted yourself Obama was a pussy.
reply to: Trump doesnt hate Merkel. He hates that we are being taken advantage of. Its nice to have a president with a backbone... finally. You admitted yourself Obama was a pussy.
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Yes..I liked Obama but he was a pussy for several reasons:

He should have Appointed Garland and said "I DARE YOU TO REMOVE HIM"

Obama should have never implemented the Republican Healthcare plan and relabeled as "OBAMACARE".

Yes..You hear me right, Obama care is Romneycare almost item-by-item that was implemented in Massachusettes

Look dude.Trump's backbone is attached directly to his ****. The guy is an idiot and he is not thinking straight. .
FYI, THe US has been taking advange of the world for a very long time, interfering in their governments, their elections, their trade. What goes around comes around. All Trump did was pull off the mask to reveal the ugly truth about America; we are predatory, racist, imperialistic, agressive, and rude
reply to: Trump doesnt hate Merkel. He hates that we are being taken advantage of. Its nice to have a president with a backbone... finally. You admitted yourself Obama was a pussy.
Voted: Disagree
3 months ago
Trump only seems to have a backbone when on twitter. In person the man caves every time.
reply to: Yes..I liked Obama but he was a pussy for several reasons: He should have Appointed Garland and said "I DARE YOU TO REMOVE HIM" Obama should have never implemented the Republican Healthcare plan and relabeled as "OBAMACAR
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
FYI, THe US has been taking advange of the world for a very long time, interfering in their governments, their elections, their trade. What goes around comes around. All Trump did was pull off the mask to reveal the ugly truth about America; we are predatory, racist, imperialistic, agressive, and rude

reply to: FYI, THe US has been taking advange of the world for a very long time, interfering in their governments, their elections, their trade. What goes around comes around. All Trump did was pull off the mask to reveal the ugly trut
Voted: Agree
3 months ago
very true, and it doesn't matter republican democrats, both are equally to blame for this.

but racist? no more then any other country I would say
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4 months ago
And how do the wealthy and corporations not pay their fair share? Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, etc will pay more to the govt in one year than we will in 1000 lifetimes.
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reply to: And how do the wealthy and corporations not pay their fair share? Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, etc will pay more to the govt in one year than we will in 1000 lifetimes.
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Talk to me about Trumps erecent Tax debacle.
WTF was that? WHere is the tax structure and overhaul of the tax system?
How is Trump intending to pay for this infrastructure iupgrade and the wall he wants?

It's clear, Mexico isn;t paying for ****. Someone has too.
Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, et al can pay more. We should go back to eary 60s' tax brackets going up to 90%.

THe good old days were great. Let's Make America Great Again by going back to those ecnomic ideals that fostered growth and propsperity for everyone
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reply to: And how do the wealthy and corporations not pay their fair share? Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, etc will pay more to the govt in one year than we will in 1000 lifetimes.
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Bribes don't count..
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reply to: And how do the wealthy and corporations not pay their fair share? Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, etc will pay more to the govt in one year than we will in 1000 lifetimes.
Voted: Disagree
3 months ago
But Trump refuses to pay his taxes.
reply to: But Trump refuses to pay his taxes.
Voted: Agree
3 months ago
any actual evidence for this?
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4 months ago
So, the world would be a better place without America? Or is it a better place with America?
predatory, racist, imperialistic, agressive, and rude
See, this is typical of you and the left in general. Name calling and biased accusations. The fact is, there is no such thing as perfection. No perfect country. But you see predatory... others see a country getting taken advantage of. You see imperialistic... others see a country that has freed millions. You see aggressive... others see a country that shows too much restraint even while in combat. You see rude... thats just stupid,

You will always be able to find examples to fit your belief. As will those that oppose you.

The question is, are we a force of good, or bad in the world?
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reply to: So, the world would be a better place without America? Or is it a better place with America? predatory, racist, imperialistic, agressive, and rudeSee, this is typical of you and the left in general. Name calling and biased a
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
So, the world would be a better place without America? Or is it a better place with America?
The world wouldbe better off with An America that turned into what we are today. We are now a bad force int he world. Terrible actually.
I stand by my comments.

I wasn;t name calling, I was giving adjectives. Typical of you to get your pants in a wad because I disagree with you.
I don;t kinow what you watch or what happened to you in your life to make you so mean, hateful, and vindictive. What makes you want to behave like a bully and abandaon dimplomacy? Why do you think civilized behavior is wrong?

Nah dude... The US needs to minds it;s own business and take care of it'.s citizens. Here's an idea! Let's improve our literacy rat. We're #30 por our infant mortality rate, which is #35 (Mexico is 21), or Healthcare #11 int he world. Dude, the US ranks #43 int he overall quality of life

How is Bobzo gonna fix this? By making Asbestos availbale for use again as a building material or the destruction of our drinking water?

You need to further your education
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reply to: So, the world would be a better place without America? Or is it a better place with America? predatory, racist, imperialistic, agressive, and rudeSee, this is typical of you and the left in general. Name calling and biased a
Voted: Agree
3 months ago
your government has been very imperialistic, when was the last time USA has not occupied another country?
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4 months ago
So, the real question is. Do disagree with any kind of negotiation or restructuring of NATO?
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reply to: So, the real question is. Do disagree with any kind of negotiation or restructuring of NATO?
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
no
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4 months ago
The tax debacle that lowered everyone's taxes and is repatriating hundreds of billions, and is driving the lowest unemployment of blacks, hispanics, and women, in decades... or ever?

Govt confiscation is a pretty good tax plan.

Yes Gates et al can pay more. And if they would like to that would be very kind of them. But they see the folly of higher taxes and its wastefulness, which is why Gates and Buffet donate so many billions, not to the IRS, but to charities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/31/14-billionaires-signed-bill-gates-and-warren-buffetts-giving-pledge.html

Why arent they pledging this money to the US govt?
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reply to: The tax debacle that lowered everyone's taxes and is repatriating hundreds of billions, and is driving the lowest unemployment of blacks, hispanics, and women, in decades... or ever? Govt confiscation is a pretty good tax pl
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
tax debacle that lowered everyone's taxes and is repatriating hundreds of billions, and is driving the lowest unemployment of blacks, hispanics, and women, in decades...

Total FOX proaganda...What it did was result in stonk by-backs and overinflated stock shares. The Unemployment rate has been rising before Trump took office. As a matter of fact, evidence shows that the numbers less than they were two years ago.

BTW..DId you see the date on that article? 2:28 PM ET Wed, 31 May 2017
LONG BEFORE TRUMPS TA DEBACLE

You're trying to attrribute something to Trump that had Nothing to do with him. That's pretty funny
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4 months ago
My taxes went down. I dont need a TV to figure that one out.
4 months ago
I think, ultimately, this comes down to the left's fear of Trump as an unbeatable political force. He campaigned on issues, and is fulfulling campaign promises like few, if any, policiticians before him. At least in recent years. Certainly more so than the chameleon/fraud/liar (and as we agree...pussy) Obama did.
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4 months ago
These countries have to step it up -- not over a 10 year period, they have to step it up immediately, We're protecting Germany, France and everybody... this has been going on for decades.
If these words were said at a summit by a Democrat, you would love it. Be honest. If Bernie Sanders took this approach, you would not be criticizing.
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4 months ago
Interesting thread. I have to agree in part with both you and Jak.

Yes Z8, we need to quit footing the bills for the world.

Yes Jak, we need to end our imperialism, meddling, and aggression.
reply to: Interesting thread. I have to agree in part with both you and Jak. Yes Z8, we need to quit footing the bills for the world. Yes Jak, we need to end our imperialism, meddling, and aggression.
4 months ago
But all we really imperialistic meddling and aggressive? Now, I have no delusions that we are a pure as the driven snow country. But we are also a superpower. The greatest superpower ever, at that. As Spider-Man himself would say with great power comes great responsibility. It is important for the United States to exert our power, at times, to ensure the betterment of not just the world but also our own country. The reality of life is that sometimes the things that must be done may not be the kinds of things that one would proudly proclaim from a rooftop. This is a necessity. We don't undertake these things for nefarious purposes, a la Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Kim, Etc... Which is how it seems JG sees us.
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reply to: Interesting thread. I have to agree in part with both you and Jak. Yes Z8, we need to quit footing the bills for the world. Yes Jak, we need to end our imperialism, meddling, and aggression.
Voted: Agree
3 months ago
when USA stops invading other countries then USA can stop worrying about other countries
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reply to: But all we really imperialistic meddling and aggressive? Now, I have no delusions that we are a pure as the driven snow country. But we are also a superpower. The greatest superpower ever, at that. As Spider-Man himself would
4 months ago
Yes, absolutely. We have some 800 "formal" military bases in 70-80 countries, and along with the "informal" ones and other deployments, we have a military presence in ~ 177 countries. Exact numbers are impossible to come by. And that's in addition to the outsourced MIC presence we have in many countries. The level of our country's meddling is virtually unknowable to American citizens...but make no mistake, it is massive and it is imperialistic, albeit in a somewhat different way than the imperialism of yore.

In the 243 years since we declared our independence, we have gone an entire year without waging war (declared or not) somewhere exactly 21 times. And that doesn't include all the covert actions of our government. The longest continuous period we went without warring was 5 years. Think about that.

If you really think all that warring has been altruistic and benevolent on our part, you are a naif.
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reply to: Yes, absolutely. We have some 800 "formal" military bases in 70-80 countries, and along with the "informal" ones and other deployments, we have a military presence in ~ 177 countries. Exact numbers are impossible to come by.
4 months ago
Altruistic? I woudnt use that word, But necessary for securing our interests which, in turn, is in the best interest of the world? Yes.

What happens to the world without America as a superpower? What would have happened in WWII as an example? Fast forward a couple of decades. Do you really want to come to the next Hitler without the US having the ability to be a force? Would the world be better off if China or Russia were the ones flexing their muscle unchecked if and when that time ever comes?

Its not a matter of being altruistic or benevolent, its a matter of maintaining power, which benefits everyone.

Really, much of the stats arent really relevant. Such as 243 years as a country and only 21 years with no war, etc. The easy response is, so what? What is the correct and acceptable amount of war? Of course, utopian answer is there should never be war. But there are 200 countries in the world. There is civil unrest and political turmoil all over the world on a constant basis. And we are the human race. There has been war since the beginning of time. How often, throughout all of mankind has there ever been worldwide prolonged peace. The truth is, there never will be. That is simply a fact of life on earth with human beings. It is not the fault of the United States. This is a human condition that existed long before we were a country. Long before there were countries. And as long as there is unrest and political issues around the world that might affect us, it is in our best interest to get involved whether that be overtly of covertly.

Still, I do believe we should not be actively policing the world.... until and unless it is in our best interests.

Its nice to say "The US needs to minds it;s own business" and we should... until we shouldnt.
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reply to: Altruistic? I woudnt use that word, But necessary for securing our interests which, in turn, is in the best interest of the world? Yes. What happens to the world without America as a superpower? What would have happened in W
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
What happens to the world without America as a superpower? What would have happened in WWII as an example? It's becoming tiresome constantly hearing the US insist on taking credit as the "Lord and Savior" of the world from Nazism. It was Russia that was instrumental in defeating the Nazi's. WIthout Russia, we'd either be speaking German or would have retreated back into our isolationist world like North Korea with round-eyes.

Red Army was the main engine of Nazism's destruction. The Soviet Union paid the harshest price. More than 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II and that includes more than 11 million soldiers. The Nazis suffered almost three-quarters of their their total wartime losses fighting the Russians.

By the time the US and it's western allies came prancing into Germany, the war had allmost been completed. They were close to being nothing but "Clean-up".

...243 years as a country and only 21 years with no war, etc. The easy response is, so what? What is the correct and acceptable amount of war?

The answer to that is "ZERO".
The thing that you seem to be purposely neglecting is that much of the "Warring" the US has been involved in nearing the modern times has been the doing of the US herself.
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reply to: Altruistic? I woudnt use that word, But necessary for securing our interests which, in turn, is in the best interest of the world? Yes. What happens to the world without America as a superpower? What would have happened in W
4 months ago
"In the best interest of the world"? I believe nearly the entire European continent, along with a goodly portion of the ME and beyond are now paying a rather dear price for "our interests". Our actions did not benefit the people of the US, of Europe, or of the MENA region, btw...which begs the question,,. precisely who is meant by "our"?
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reply to: But all we really imperialistic meddling and aggressive? Now, I have no delusions that we are a pure as the driven snow country. But we are also a superpower. The greatest superpower ever, at that. As Spider-Man himself would
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
I'm going to take the lazy route and say Boz is correct. No sense reinventing the wheel here.Well said @Bozette
I would also add that some reading on the History of Iran and how we became enemies as well as the nature of the term "Banana Republic" is in order,

THere are also many who can give a successful arguement that the sinking of the USS Maine was a US fabrication top get us into a war with Spain
4 months ago
"The answer to that is "ZERO". "
So if the US ceased to exist today, wars, civil unrest, political coups, etc would end?

Let me help you out. They wouldnt. And, unfortunatetly, many times and in many ways it is in our best interest to be influential.
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reply to: "The answer to that is "ZERO". "So if the US ceased to exist today, wars, civil unrest, political coups, etc would end? Let me help you out. They wouldnt. And, unfortunatetly, many times and in many ways it is in our best i
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Let me help YOU out...
THE US IS NOT THE WORLD POLICE

Thanks for convenienelty neglecting all your other comments which were debunked
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4 months ago
"THE US IS NOT THE WORLD POLICE"
I agree. I dont think we should be. But, I recognize that if getting involved is in our best interests, I want us involved. Sometimes things are necessary whether we like them or not.

Other commetns, what are you talking about?
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reply to: "THE US IS NOT THE WORLD POLICE" I agree. I dont think we should be. But, I recognize that if getting involved is in our best interests, I want us involved. Sometimes things are necessary whether we like them or not. Other
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Nope...
You are not following the Dogma of your fearless leader,
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4 months ago
Its funny, you disagree with Trump's stance at NATO (I assume) but dont want us to be the police.... which is it?
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4 months ago
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/12/trump-says-nato-allies-have-agreed-to-increase-their-defense-spending-.html

Sounds to me like Trump kicked**and got what he wanted... what was needed.
President Donald Trump said NATO allies had committed to raising their defense spending beyond 2 percent on Thursday morning

Of course, France tried to downplay it:
It confirms the goal of 2 percent by 2024. That's all.

What more do you want? Thats only 6 years from now.
some two-thirds of allies have national plans in place to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense by 2024.

That has always been a BS meeting, all for show, until Trump actually brought substance to it
The mood music of this year's NATO summit is contrasting sharply to previous international gatherings. They were once seen as relatively routine affairs, with member nations uniting to say the alliance had never been stronger and all pledging to continue to work together.

#WINNING
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reply to: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/12/trump-says-nato-allies-have-agreed-to-increase-their-defense-spending-.html Sounds to me like Trump kicked**and got what he wanted... what was needed. President Donald Trump said NATO allies
Voted: Disagree
4 months ago
Winning through lying

"Oh...Look at me. I'm Zombie8 and I support a liar. I slanders others online and I think my posts are relevant. Boo hoo. My friends are gone."

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4 months ago
What is the lie?
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Voted: Agree
3 months ago
no JUDAS GOAT, his friends are not gone, your just a liar thinking that projection will clear your name
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Voted: Agree
3 months ago
I think the government should 100% pull out of all foreign occupation/invasions etc etc, stop demanding countries follow its currency, and worry about its own, if USA wants to trade with other countries fine, but not at gun point,

people should pay more attention to what Ron Paul has to say, USA would have far less enemies if they did.
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