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What is the problem with a physical wall/fence on the southern border?

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What is the problem with a physical wall/fence on the southern border?
Progressives, of course, hate the idea while conservatives are all for it.

For those against it, what is the real reason. The main reason to pick just one.

Notice I did not put "it doesn't work" as a choice. The reason is simple: walls work.
Created: May 30, 2018
Totals: 12 votes, 69 comments
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Too expensive.
8%
1 votes
It's not "who we are as a people."
17%
2 votes
Immigration should be unfettered, or close to it.
0%
0 votes
It's racist.
0%
0 votes
If the Democrats proposed it, I would be in favor.
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0 votes
Nothing. I support a physical border.
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9 votes
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Voted: It's not "who we are as a people."
4 months ago
For me it is reminiscent of the Berlin Wall. They tell you it is to keep others out, but also to keep you in. Also, it goes against who we are as a country.
reply to: For me it is reminiscent of the Berlin Wall. They tell you it is to keep others out, but also to keep you in. Also, it goes against who we are as a country.
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
you do realize that Mexico has a southern border wall ?
and the the Berlin wall was to keep oppressed people in, big big difference...this from someone old enough to have been there
Voted: It's not "who we are as a people."
4 months ago
It is billions of wasted dollars that could be much better spent.
reply to: It is billions of wasted dollars that could be much better spent.
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
on what ? illegal alien free lunch?
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
I disagree with both posts above. "it is not who we are" doesnt apply to illegal immigrants. Period. The immigrants that made us who we are came legally and had a deep appreciation and desire to assimilate into this country. The illegals that have been coming for decades do neither of those things. They break the law to coming in and then use "family" as an excuse. Oh, but my child was born here. Many of these people come here with the express purpose of having a baby. I have first hand knowledge of this. It is a "thing" among the illegal community... have a baby. They bring no skills and little ability to take care of themselves and their family. You can argue that all you want but it is the truth. And being illegal, whatever job they do is at a meager daily "salary" taking jobs from uneducated, unskilled Americans. Again, argue all you want but it is the truth. For the Democrats who claim to be for the little man, the black community, etc... they are getting crushed because of the illegals.

And as far as being expensive, meh. Sure it isnt free unless..... Mexico pays for it :)..... but we will recoup much in return for not paying welfare, healthcare, etc to all the illegals. Im not going to say it offsets the costs 100%. Maybe it does maybe it doesnt. But its not worth debating that part of it. The fact that we recoup a big chunk of money, makes the total cost of the wall much less. So, now we have a wall that ultimately costs, 40/50/60% of the full price. Well, its no longer a massive expense. It suddenly becomes a reasonalbe expense. And, when you consider the security that we get in return, the jobs added, etc. Its a net positive.

So, I don't see either of those points as valid ones. Illegals are not who we are, and the cost is reasonable and justified by better security.

The only valid arguments against a wall, in my opinion are:
1) wanting as many illegal immigrants as possible, for whatever reason they have.
2) wanting as many immigrants as possible, legal or otherwise
3) opting for a more efficient method (military, drones, what have you) although I dont think there is a more cost effective method.
4) being so against a wall because of partisanship that any risk is worth opposition.

Those are four reasons that cant be argued with. But, "not who we are", cost, and effectiveness are not valid reasons.
reply to: I disagree with both posts above. "it is not who we are" doesnt apply to illegal immigrants. Period. The immigrants that made us who we are came legally and had a deep appreciation and desire to assimilate into this country.
Voted: It's not "who we are as a people."
4 months ago
The illegal immigrants are not putting the wall up. It is we the American people. Yes we should have and enforce immigration laws. However this $18 billion wall is not the way. It would be ineffective and is far too expensive.
reply to: The illegal immigrants are not putting the wall up. It is we the American people. Yes we should have and enforce immigration laws. However this $18 billion wall is not the way. It would be ineffective and is far too expensive
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
It would not be ineffective. That is ridiculous. How anyone can put forth that argument is beyond me.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-border-wall-test-20180119-story.html

And the most favorable analysis (anti-wall) I have seen puts the cost of illegal immigrants to the US at about 40 billion a year. Good money management is good money management. The wall is not expensive.
reply to: It would not be ineffective. That is ridiculous. How anyone can put forth that argument is beyond me. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-border-wall-test-20180119-story.html And the most favorable analysis (anti-wal
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Wall works on Mexico's Southern border, Hungary and other countries in Europe. Only things being proposed are the same old tired things that have been proposed for past *how* many decades - none of which have helped. If anything they have only exacerbated the situation. That is the history - straight up and undiluted.
reply to: The illegal immigrants are not putting the wall up. It is we the American people. Yes we should have and enforce immigration laws. However this $18 billion wall is not the way. It would be ineffective and is far too expensive
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
How much do illegals cost the Federal and State gov'ts in welfare, education, medical, resettlement, etc. I believe an honest comparison would prove the wall to be very cost effective. Besides, we know Congress, and especially the Dems, have promised better border security - see: Reagan's immigration agreement with Congress - and have since reneged at every opportunity. So, given what we've been given, a wall seems to be the logical course of action.
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Trump, at times, went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective, marketing wise, but didnt keep his foot to the gas on it as he should have.

He promised to build "an amazing wall" a "beautiful wall"

Thats exactly what should be done. Not all 3k miles of course. But, dont make it an eyesore. And add more to it. I think he had mentioned solar panels. Do it. One argument against that is that we dont have the infrastructure to handle the energy harvested. So what. Build that too. We didnt have a Brooklyn Bridge before... it was built, either.

Make a few pass through points that can become another Ellis Island--impasses into this country--for those that come LEGALLY.
reply to: Trump, at times, went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective, marketing wise, but didnt keep his foot to the gas on it as he should have. He promised to build "an amazing wall" a "beautiful wall" Thats exac
4 months ago
"went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective"

Excsue me???
Do you even know the history iof illegal immigration to the US? This is NOT a product if Trump's "Brilliance". It's a product of a Soviet era strategy to divide East and West Germany. It;s the product of a xenophobic.
It actually has very racist roots.

Answer My questions below if you can. This entire thing is feeding into gullible minds. As a parting shot, if anyone believes Mexico is paying for this wall and they will be happy to do so...Apparently you have not seen Vincente FOx's reponse to that. I wish you people wqould please come down to earth and get a grip on yourselves
reply to: Trump, at times, went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective, marketing wise, but didnt keep his foot to the gas on it as he should have. He promised to build "an amazing wall" a "beautiful wall" Thats exac
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Yep - we can use all the wonderful stuff Solyndra was supposed to give us. Or, we can consider it as a "shovel-ready" project - but most assuredly not billion dollar boondoggle like we were sold during the last admin.
reply to: Trump, at times, went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective, marketing wise, but didnt keep his foot to the gas on it as he should have. He promised to build "an amazing wall" a "beautiful wall" Thats exac
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Trump does tend to be a bit hyperbolic at times, as do any who communicate in any form with others. Thus his use of 'amazing' and 'beautiful. - pure but common hyperbole. What is fascinating is the huge amount of support he has from the public (we the people) in every quarter of the nation. MAGA, MAGA!
reply to: "went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective" Excsue me??? Do you even know the history iof illegal immigration to the US? This is NOT a product if Trump's "Brilliance". It's a product of a Soviet era strateg
Voted: It's not "who we are as a people."
4 months ago
It is interesting and telling that they only want a wall in the south.
reply to: It is interesting and telling that they only want a wall in the south.
4 months ago
I dont understand why everyone brings that up. It is very clear that the northern border is not an issue. Not because of the color of the people, but because you dont have nearly the number of people coming in from there. If we had millions over the course of a few decades, then we would want a wall there. But as it stands, Canadians arent coming here in droves illegally.
reply to: I dont understand why everyone brings that up. It is very clear that the northern border is not an issue. Not because of the color of the people, but because you dont have nearly the number of people coming in from there. If
4 months ago
It is NOT just Canadians coming across the Canadian border and how would you know? The border is porous as hell. I know. I live near the US/Canadian border.

I can garantee that I can smuggle bunches of people across and never get caught. As a matter of fact, I bet I can bring anything I want across that border and not get caught. Why do you suppose that is?
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reply to: I dont understand why everyone brings that up. It is very clear that the northern border is not an issue. Not because of the color of the people, but because you dont have nearly the number of people coming in from there. If
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Ah, but Zombie, ya gotta remember who you're dealing with ... none are noted for being a highly intelligent or logical people. I mean, even the suggestion of a Northern Wall is beyond insane and demonstrates a lack of any serious knowledge re: the matter.
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reply to: "went at this whole wall thing from a brilliant perspective" Excsue me??? Do you even know the history iof illegal immigration to the US? This is NOT a product if Trump's "Brilliance". It's a product of a Soviet era strateg
His response was "I'm not going to pay for that ****ing wall"
4 months ago
I have some questions...
Why didn;t so called "Conservatives" ask for a wall under Bush?
Why did they wait until Trump to come up with this cocomania?
Why are we not building a wall Betweeen the US and Canada?
DId the Berlin Wall work?

Meh..this is just hype and BS.
The wall has now become "Hyperthetical"
reply to: I have some questions... Why didn;t so called "Conservatives" ask for a wall under Bush? Why did they wait until Trump to come up with this cocomania? Why are we not building a wall Betweeen the US and Canada? DId the B
4 months ago
I have chunks of the Berlin Wall in my curio cabinet that my friend from Berlin brought to me. Proof enough for me that walls don't work
reply to: I have some questions... Why didn;t so called "Conservatives" ask for a wall under Bush? Why did they wait until Trump to come up with this cocomania? Why are we not building a wall Betweeen the US and Canada? DId the B
4 months ago
Under Bush the movement had not yet reached a fever pitch. Bush himself I don't believe was a huge proponent of a wall. It is a huge part of Trumps agenda so naturally it becomes a bigger issue for people to sign on to. That's very normal and natural. If Bush had been a champion for building a wall, then at that point in time the same people would have supported.

We're not building a wall between US and Canada because there is not an influx of illegal immigrants coming from Canada. You can cry racism all you want but the southern border is where the problem is. Not because the people from there or brown but because the people from there or unskilled and bring nothing to this economy and Country. Canadians are not looking to flee their country in droves

yes the Berlin Wall worked. Sure there are people that got past it what a few thousand over the course of a few decades?
reply to: I have chunks of the Berlin Wall in my curio cabinet that my friend from Berlin brought to me. Proof enough for me that walls don't work
4 months ago
I find that so cool, SIr. I remember you telling me that. Somewhere in my life, there is a picture of my dad standing at the Berlin wall in his uniform. I'll see if I can find it and send it to you,
reply to: I have chunks of the Berlin Wall in my curio cabinet that my friend from Berlin brought to me. Proof enough for me that walls don't work
4 months ago
Really? That's your proof that walls don't work? The fact that one was torn down after being up for 30 years, there was good reason for that wall to come down, the end of Communism in the reuniting of one country. Last I checked the US and Mexico were two distinct countries not torn apart by War or communism. Foolish response.
reply to: I have chunks of the Berlin Wall in my curio cabinet that my friend from Berlin brought to me. Proof enough for me that walls don't work
4 months ago
"Proof enough for me that walls don't work"

You're obviously a simpleton.
reply to: "Proof enough for me that walls don't work" You're obviously a simpleton.
4 months ago
****Not because the people from there are brown but because the people from there or (are) unskilled and bring nothing to this economy and Country****

They do all the jobs that unskilled, lazy, white Americans won't do because there's no motivation to work when our own can milk the welfare system and exploit government programs aimed at assisting the poor and needy. The undocumented worker is an inextricable part of the American workforce.

You're obviously an ****
reply to: ****Not because the people from there are brown but because the people from there or (are) unskilled and bring nothing to this economy and Country**** They do all the jobs that unskilled, lazy, white Americans won't do becau
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
That has been an argument, to be sure. BUT it is one that doesn't hold water. The Black and Hispanic Communities (legal) are being denied the jobs they have historically/traditionally performed by this massive influx of (gov't approved) illegals. A survey of both communities should confirm that proposition. The argument that they only do jobs that would go unfilled is without merit. Much used, much abused.
reply to: ****Not because the people from there are brown but because the people from there or (are) unskilled and bring nothing to this economy and Country**** They do all the jobs that unskilled, lazy, white Americans won't do becau
4 months ago
Untrue. The jobs they take are from people that absolutely would do them. Many of us have!

When I started working, i was a dishwasher, busboy at a local seafood restaurant, along with a handful of friends. Others worked at McDonalds and Wendys. My brother and a couple of friends were landscapers, they loaded up a cart with lawnmowers, edgers, etc and PULLED down the streets to do the lawns.

All of those jobs now go exclusively to illegals. Along with many contractors, sheetrockers, roofers, etc.

They would be done by teenagers like myself, gaining valuable work experience, or to lower skilled--many in the black and LEGAL hispanic communities.

That argument is a nonsensicle canard.
reply to: I have chunks of the Berlin Wall in my curio cabinet that my friend from Berlin brought to me. Proof enough for me that walls don't work
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
2 months ago
Walls don't work?
Then why did they have to take it down?
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reply to: Under Bush the movement had not yet reached a fever pitch. Bush himself I don't believe was a huge proponent of a wall. It is a huge part of Trumps agenda so naturally it becomes a bigger issue for people to sign on to. That'
4 months ago
Meh..you;re foolish if you don;t think there are massive ammounts of Illegal activity on the Canadian border. Maybe it;s because Canada isn't Hispanic.

I think you are a simpleton or ignoring facts
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reply to: Meh..you;re foolish if you don;t think there are massive ammounts of Illegal activity on the Canadian border. Maybe it;s because Canada isn't Hispanic. I think you are a simpleton or ignoring facts
4 months ago
Find me the numbers please. Id like to see them. Lets compare what comes across the southern and northern borders. Both now, and over the course of the past 30 years or so.
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reply to: Find me the numbers please. Id like to see them. Lets compare what comes across the southern and northern borders. Both now, and over the course of the past 30 years or so.
4 months ago
I bet you;ll be hard-pressed to find numbers because they aren;t being scrutinized or manufactured like the Southern border numbers.

Can you guess why? Mexicans are scarier than Canadians
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reply to: I bet you;ll be hard-pressed to find numbers because they aren;t being scrutinized or manufactured like the Southern border numbers. Can you guess why? Mexicans are scarier than Canadians
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
yep with their gangs and drug lords they certainly are.,...dont think we have that issue with the neighbors to the north
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reply to: Under Bush the movement had not yet reached a fever pitch. Bush himself I don't believe was a huge proponent of a wall. It is a huge part of Trumps agenda so naturally it becomes a bigger issue for people to sign on to. That'
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
We didn't build the wall to prevent the reunification of Germany, the Russians and E. Germans did that. That was the purpose of *that* wall - to maintain the *forced* separation of an established, historic country. You try to mix water and oil when equating the two "walls."
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
The Wall, contrary to the way it is being discussed here, is not being built to keep American in, as was the Berlin Wall. To even attempt to draw that comparison is laughable - the stuff of derision. It is to try an attempt to set history on its head by means of an attempted historical fallacy.
reply to: The Wall, contrary to the way it is being discussed here, is not being built to keep American in, as was the Berlin Wall. To even attempt to draw that comparison is laughable - the stuff of derision. It is to try an attempt t
4 months ago
That's not what the people were told when the Berlin Wall was being built, though, Shep. The Easterners were told that it was to keep the "evil" Westerners out
reply to: That's not what the people were told when the Berlin Wall was being built, though, Shep. The Easterners were told that it was to keep the "evil" Westerners out
Voted: It's not "who we are as a people."
4 months ago
I dont believe they would be foolish ebough to tell us it is to keep us in. Regardless what is used to keep 1 group out can easily be used to keep another in.
reply to: That's not what the people were told when the Berlin Wall was being built, though, Shep. The Easterners were told that it was to keep the "evil" Westerners out
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Whatever ... that doesn't alter the facts of the matter. Comparisons on "the wall" should be drawn on the basis of fact, no fanciful opinions or intentional lies. If they were in fact being told that, however, their own gov't(s) were intentionally deceiving them and doing so without any concern for their welfare. That belongs to them, not to Trump or the United States. It is somewhat on the order of what the Mexican and other Central and South American countries are telling the people they are encouraging to 'invade' the U. S. via illegal immigration, I should think,
reply to: Whatever ... that doesn't alter the facts of the matter. Comparisons on "the wall" should be drawn on the basis of fact, no fanciful opinions or intentional lies. If they were in fact being told that, however, their own gov'
4 months ago
and as the current situation escalates, is it too far-fetched to think that our borders could be closed altogether in either direction for Americans traveling outbound or inbound? It's not out of the realm of possibility
reply to: and as the current situation escalates, is it too far-fetched to think that our borders could be closed altogether in either direction for Americans traveling outbound or inbound? It's not out of the realm of possibility
4 months ago
what current situation?
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reply to: and as the current situation escalates, is it too far-fetched to think that our borders could be closed altogether in either direction for Americans traveling outbound or inbound? It's not out of the realm of possibility
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
what are you talking about?
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
It appears there are those who simply cannot grasp the fact that millions are invading our Southern border - hence the need for a wall. OTOH, we do not have any semblance of that problem on our Northern border, thus no need for a wall. But that perspicuous fact just doesn't, - or perhaps can't, given the demonstrated mental debilitation - register. More's the pity.
4 months ago
I just got a permit for my pool. One of the many things that are needed, at least in my area, is a 6-foot fence all around the yard. If fences don't keep people out, what do I need this for? If we're concerned about small children, a three or four foot fence would work. The gate also has to have a lock on it. Do locks not work either?

Gates fences and walls work. It's laughable to try and argue otherwise. True they won't be 100% effective. But to say they don't work defies logic.
reply to: I just got a permit for my pool. One of the many things that are needed, at least in my area, is a 6-foot fence all around the yard. If fences don't keep people out, what do I need this for? If we're concerned about small chi
4 months ago
Are you really comparing your pool to the US border? LOL
Tell you what...Let us know how many dead critters you find floating

Walls do NOT work and it has already been proven that the cost and losgistics of encompassing the entire Southern US border is sot prohibitive.

Like I said in another post, Let's raise the taxes across the board, especially on the wealthy, to pay for this scheme.
reply to: Are you really comparing your pool to the US border? LOL Tell you what...Let us know how many dead critters you find floating Walls do NOT work and it has already been proven that the cost and losgistics of encompassing th
4 months ago
Its an analogy. Because walls do work.

"Tell you what...Let us know how many dead critters you find floating "
Are you comparing Mexicans to rodents and squirrels?

Special forces have tested prototypes and found them to be nearly impenetrable. Are the people coming over the border going to outperform our special forces? Please stop. It only makes one look foolish when they say things like "walls dont work" Its as stupid as saying "a glass doesnt hold water" or "wheels dont roll"
reply to: Its an analogy. Because walls do work. "Tell you what...Let us know how many dead critters you find floating " Are you comparing Mexicans to rodents and squirrels? Special forces have tested prototypes and found them to
4 months ago
Have you looked around the desert where illegals are dying or being shot and left to die by border state residents? I appreciate your attempt to cast me in a bad light, but it isn't I who advocates tearing screaming babies out of womens arms and selling them to sex traffickers

Again...walls don't work. There are already walls up across the southern border and they still get in.

also, the Canadian border is much longer and much more porous. There is very little security there. Pardon me for saying so, but are you not the same people who believe that Muslims running around Canada murdering people?
reply to: Have you looked around the desert where illegals are dying or being shot and left to die by border state residents? I appreciate your attempt to cast me in a bad light, but it isn't I who advocates tearing screaming babies ou
4 months ago
Please Supply some numbers as to how many people illegally cross the Canadian border into America. I would like to see the estimates on that.
reply to: Please Supply some numbers as to how many people illegally cross the Canadian border into America. I would like to see the estimates on that.
4 months ago
The numbers are impossible to know because the border is so HUGE and it is relatively un-monitored except for a few high-profile locations.

Mexicans are so much more scarier than Canadians, so they make an excellent scapegoat. But, Wait..How many hijackers were there for 9/11? Does it take thousands or just a few?

As I said, who knows. No one is looking and apparently no one cares
reply to: The numbers are impossible to know because the border is so HUGE and it is relatively un-monitored except for a few high-profile locations. Mexicans are so much more scarier than Canadians, so they make an excellent scapego
4 months ago
So you're backing up your statement with the fact that you don't know the facts. Interesting.
reply to: The numbers are impossible to know because the border is so HUGE and it is relatively un-monitored except for a few high-profile locations. Mexicans are so much more scarier than Canadians, so they make an excellent scapego
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
I will give you the statistics then. 0 people have ever cross the border from Canada into the United States illegally. That settles it is not a problem.
reply to: Are you really comparing your pool to the US border? LOL Tell you what...Let us know how many dead critters you find floating Walls do NOT work and it has already been proven that the cost and losgistics of encompassing th
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
oh snap ...you just made his case for him, no one has drowned in his pool...COZ WALLS WORK !!!... GENIUS
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
The analogy I like better is your home.

Do you lock the doors when you leave the house or go to bed? (I know some dont if they live in very rural areas/small towns but in suburb and cities, where you actually have people, doors get locked)

Why? Of course, the answer is obvious. To keep people out. Otherwise, anyone can come in and steal stuff or hurt you. You keep it locked to protect yourself, your family, and your property.

If woke up one morning and there were strangers standing in your living room, are you obligated to give them your food and a wad of cash? And then, since they are now in your house, I suppose they are now your roommates for as long as they determine, so its incumbent on you to have a key made for them.

Oh, they also now have equal decision-making rights for all decisions made in your house. Because, remember, its not your house. It belongs to whoever happens to walk through the door on a given day.

Whats that? You DID lock your door, but they snuck in through the basement window. Sorry, same rules apply. Stepping foot inside your house = permanant resident in your house.

Of course the smart thing to do is also lock the basement windows. Unfortunately, your new roommates will use their decision-making rights to veto that.

But dont worry, you still get to pay the mortgage on your own. Remember, though, if you ever decide to sell, your're all equal co-owners.
reply to: The analogy I like better is your home. Do you lock the doors when you leave the house or go to bed? (I know some dont if they live in very rural areas/small towns but in suburb and cities, where you actually have people, do
4 months ago
No..I don't lock my doors in my home because my nearest neighbr is 2 miles away. My house doesn't have a basement because it's built on a ledge. I don't have a pool, because I have water-from property from a river, and I don't have a mortgage because I paid my home off from the money I made from selling my stock options and the inheritance my dad left me.

Not to worry though, I have some nice guns in a secure spot including the one I carry with me to shoot people like gay bashers and trespassers. Fun Fun Fun!
reply to: No..I don't lock my doors in my home because my nearest neighbr is 2 miles away. My house doesn't have a basement because it's built on a ledge. I don't have a pool, because I have water-from property from a river, and I don'
4 months ago
How fitting. So in this situation you are truly the typical liberal. Wanting people to do something that you won't do yourself and that won't affect you. If your nearest neighbor is 2 mi away then obviously the danger doesn't exist. What's up people that live in suburbs and cities they lock the doors. Fortunately you don't have to, so like the typical liberal you can extract yourself from the problem. But still have others conform two rules you don't need to live by. But congratulations on your white privilege.
reply to: How fitting. So in this situation you are truly the typical liberal. Wanting people to do something that you won't do yourself and that won't affect you. If your nearest neighbor is 2 mi away then obviously the danger doesn't
4 months ago
"Wanting people to do something that you won't do yourself and that won't affect you"
I'm going to plod through your nonsensical commentary so let's beginm with this. For instance??? . WHat maight I be wanting people to do?

THe isue with living in sicites is quite suimple. Larger concentrations of people so there fore crime statist8ics will go up and the possibility of robbery increases.

"Fortunately you don't have to, so like the typical liberal you can extract yourself from the problem." All Liberels living in the country,, Zimbie that's total news to me. I'm really beingging to believe you are on some form of narcotic here,.

But...what I seem to get is that you are telling me that I a a typical liberal living in the country buy not wanting ANTYONE to live in the country and because of that, I'm using ..."Whte Privlige" (I guess?) You need to redo that enture sentence because it sounds like total bable to me
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reply to: No..I don't lock my doors in my home because my nearest neighbr is 2 miles away. My house doesn't have a basement because it's built on a ledge. I don't have a pool, because I have water-from property from a river, and I don'
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
Why would you shoot a trespasser? Don't you want our policy on people that trespass into this country to be look the other way?
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reply to: Why would you shoot a trespasser? Don't you want our policy on people that trespass into this country to be look the other way?
4 months ago
Why would someone have a gun to protect their property.
Do you understand what Stand-Your-Ground means?
So you advocate for people to purposley enters others private propert (say horu home) for nefarious purposes to rape and murder you and your family?

You people don't know what you want
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
The Left Coast isn't called that for no reason - as is well demonstrated here. The Left and Logic are incompatible.
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How does one who identifies themselves as conservative support this ****edtry?
Voted: Too expensive.
4 months ago
Nothing really, there's a legit argument to have one. The problem is the cost to value ratio and the fact that it is really an ineffective red herring to the illegal immigration problem. Too big of.a border to have any realm effect for the cost of it.

I see the border wall as being as effective as a master pad lock on a chain link fence. Really just keeps the honest people out.
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
4 months ago
What part of illegal do people not understand?
4 months ago
Why does this post have this picture of Gang members on it? I'll be truthful int hat I would have a serious discussion and be willing to talk more civily if the OP wasn;t being such a prick using these pics and the word "Children" becasue that is certainly not what is meant
This is what is meant...

https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f10/300332d1314323290-mexican-woman-abandoned-desert-img_1213.jpg

and kids brought here not by their own. Don't you people have any deceny? I know you care about fetuses and babies. How can you guys be so inhumane?
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
2 months ago
I think the primary issue is that democrats are counting on illegal immigrants to vote in upcoming elections. A wall would drastically reduce the number of illegals.
reply to: I think the primary issue is that democrats are counting on illegal immigrants to vote in upcoming elections. A wall would drastically reduce the number of illegals.
2 months ago
You got proof of that?
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2 months ago
no one complains about China having a wall, maybe its because they are communists like democrats wish USA was. their is nothing wrong with protecting borders. its not racist to make sure your not allowing criminals into your country, if you think it is, let me ask you this, do you keep your doors wide open with a welcome inside to your own home sign?
reply to: no one complains about China having a wall, maybe its because they are communists like democrats wish USA was. their is nothing wrong with protecting borders. its not racist to make sure your not allowing criminals into your
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
2 months ago
Brilliant!
reply to: Brilliant!
2 months ago
thanks, i wonder why liberals don;t attack the pope also, he has walls too
reply to: thanks, i wonder why liberals don;t attack the pope also, he has walls too
Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
2 months ago
Yup!
And stadiums! They have gates and walls,...
SOB, I have to PAY to get into every game cuz of those darned old walls.

Pleased to make your acquaintance.
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2 months ago
We should build a wall around the Northern border of Texas to keep those dildos out
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Voted: Nothing. I support a physical border.
2 months ago
There is nothing wrong with a border wall. Without borders, you have no country. As far as the issue of immigration, we as a nation should be able to decide who we allow to immigrate here LEGALLY. Just as when someone rings your doorbell. YOU choose whether to let someone into your home or not. Sa,me difference. For all the libbies who believe this is unjust and inhumane. . . put up or shut up. Take them into your homes and care for them. Any takers?
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